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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/01/28/is-the-us-turning-into-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-98597</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Henderson wrote:

&quot;Lately, I’ve found myself re-watching the old Milton Friedman series, “Free to Choose.” It’s a pity he’s not around to offer some advise and wisdom in times like these.&quot;

No, it&#039;s a mercy: the passage of the monstrous &quot;stimulus&quot; bill (most of which is post-2009 spending) would surely have killed him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Henderson wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Lately, I’ve found myself re-watching the old Milton Friedman series, “Free to Choose.” It’s a pity he’s not around to offer some advise and wisdom in times like these.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s a mercy: the passage of the monstrous &#8220;stimulus&#8221; bill (most of which is post-2009 spending) would surely have killed him.</p>
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		<title>By: philg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/01/28/is-the-us-turning-into-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-98570</link>
		<dc:creator>philg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murali:  This is really off-topic, but I&#039;ll answer your question.  I hadn&#039;t realized until you mentioned it that Olin didn&#039;t grant tenure.  Some of the very best teachers that I know work at Olin, so it hasn&#039;t hurt them so far.  If they didn&#039;t have any trouble recruiting great faculty in 2000, I can&#039;t imagine why they&#039;d have trouble in 2009.  &quot;Best&quot; for Olin is not the same as &quot;best&quot; for MIT.  MIT wants someone who can obtain research funding; Olin wants someone who can teach and inspire undergraduates.  Thus Olin really need not compete with other engineering schools, virtually all of which are indifferent to whether or not someone can teach undergrads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murali:  This is really off-topic, but I&#8217;ll answer your question.  I hadn&#8217;t realized until you mentioned it that Olin didn&#8217;t grant tenure.  Some of the very best teachers that I know work at Olin, so it hasn&#8217;t hurt them so far.  If they didn&#8217;t have any trouble recruiting great faculty in 2000, I can&#8217;t imagine why they&#8217;d have trouble in 2009.  &#8220;Best&#8221; for Olin is not the same as &#8220;best&#8221; for MIT.  MIT wants someone who can obtain research funding; Olin wants someone who can teach and inspire undergraduates.  Thus Olin really need not compete with other engineering schools, virtually all of which are indifferent to whether or not someone can teach undergrads.</p>
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		<title>By: Murali</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/01/28/is-the-us-turning-into-the-uk/comment-page-1/#comment-98561</link>
		<dc:creator>Murali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Olin College of Engineering, perhaps the nation’s best undergraduate 
&gt; engineering program

From the Wikipedia description I am inclined to agree. I got an MIT engineering degree in EECS in 2003/4 and I wish I had been forced to take more project-based courses. 

But one disadvantage this school has is the absence of a long, well-established alumni network. I certainly benefit from this network for my school. Also, wouldn&#039;t Olin have difficulty attracting the best faculty if it doesn&#039;t offer tenure? Phil, you yourself have taught at MIT and now Harvard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Olin College of Engineering, perhaps the nation’s best undergraduate<br />
&gt; engineering program</p>
<p>From the Wikipedia description I am inclined to agree. I got an MIT engineering degree in EECS in 2003/4 and I wish I had been forced to take more project-based courses. </p>
<p>But one disadvantage this school has is the absence of a long, well-established alumni network. I certainly benefit from this network for my school. Also, wouldn&#8217;t Olin have difficulty attracting the best faculty if it doesn&#8217;t offer tenure? Phil, you yourself have taught at MIT and now Harvard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty worried about the long-term future, because the housing outlook is so bleak.

I&#039;m not sure what a decent rate of return for a mortgage is (and it depends on inflation), but let&#039;s just say it&#039;s 9%, what I paid to my house in about 1995.

With the collusion between the fed and wall street, we&#039;ve seen rates on a continual decline and a continual relaxing of lending rules, all to keep the mortgage industry poppin&#039;. That made housing scarce, and pushed the prices up to an unnatural level. 

Now that we&#039;ve burst the bubble, nobody knows what houses are really worth, but my guess is that the news is not good. Way too much inventory coupled with the fact that most of the appreciation was illusory means that prices are likely to keep heading down. 

The only thing propping them up right now is the continued available of low interest rates. I just locked in 5.125 percent for 15 years (no points) on a refi, but I think that anybody who writes that loan right now is an absolute moron. 

What I find more than a bit annoying is that nobody is talking about the overall effect on the consumer of higher house prices across the board, and how much of that increase was managed by wall street for their own benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty worried about the long-term future, because the housing outlook is so bleak.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what a decent rate of return for a mortgage is (and it depends on inflation), but let&#8217;s just say it&#8217;s 9%, what I paid to my house in about 1995.</p>
<p>With the collusion between the fed and wall street, we&#8217;ve seen rates on a continual decline and a continual relaxing of lending rules, all to keep the mortgage industry poppin&#8217;. That made housing scarce, and pushed the prices up to an unnatural level. </p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve burst the bubble, nobody knows what houses are really worth, but my guess is that the news is not good. Way too much inventory coupled with the fact that most of the appreciation was illusory means that prices are likely to keep heading down. </p>
<p>The only thing propping them up right now is the continued available of low interest rates. I just locked in 5.125 percent for 15 years (no points) on a refi, but I think that anybody who writes that loan right now is an absolute moron. </p>
<p>What I find more than a bit annoying is that nobody is talking about the overall effect on the consumer of higher house prices across the board, and how much of that increase was managed by wall street for their own benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re headed for a future that resembles Europe. High cost, omnipotent government; low productivity. The problem with this sort of economy is that it relies on the good will of others in order for it to function. Think of where European countries would be today if they paid more than a token percentage of their defense budgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re headed for a future that resembles Europe. High cost, omnipotent government; low productivity. The problem with this sort of economy is that it relies on the good will of others in order for it to function. Think of where European countries would be today if they paid more than a token percentage of their defense budgets.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately, I&#039;ve found myself re-watching the old Milton Friedman series, &quot;Free to Choose.&quot; It&#039;s a pity he&#039;s not around to offer some advise and wisdom in times like these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately, I&#8217;ve found myself re-watching the old Milton Friedman series, &#8220;Free to Choose.&#8221; It&#8217;s a pity he&#8217;s not around to offer some advise and wisdom in times like these.</p>
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		<title>By: philg</title>
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		<dc:creator>philg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan:  The exemption was not put in place to prevent double taxation.  It was always possible to take a credit for foreign taxes paid.  Even the IRS knows that you can&#039;t squeeze blood from a stone (i.e., if a guy has already paid 40% of his income in tax to France, for example, there isn&#039;t that much left for the U.S. to take).  The exemption was put in place to encourage international companies to hire Americans on an equal basis with citizens of other nationalities, e.g., in places such as Saudi Arabia where there is no income tax.

The kid will pay taxes in the Netherlands, of course, but he will get a lot of services in return (see David Wihl&#039;s comment above).  More to my point, he will be leaving the rest of us to pay for our ineffective schools, automaker bailouts, Wall Street&#039;s taxpayer-funded bonuses, public employee pensions promised back in the 1970s, Long Island Railroad pension and disability (see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html ), etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan:  The exemption was not put in place to prevent double taxation.  It was always possible to take a credit for foreign taxes paid.  Even the IRS knows that you can&#8217;t squeeze blood from a stone (i.e., if a guy has already paid 40% of his income in tax to France, for example, there isn&#8217;t that much left for the U.S. to take).  The exemption was put in place to encourage international companies to hire Americans on an equal basis with citizens of other nationalities, e.g., in places such as Saudi Arabia where there is no income tax.</p>
<p>The kid will pay taxes in the Netherlands, of course, but he will get a lot of services in return (see David Wihl&#8217;s comment above).  More to my point, he will be leaving the rest of us to pay for our ineffective schools, automaker bailouts, Wall Street&#8217;s taxpayer-funded bonuses, public employee pensions promised back in the 1970s, Long Island Railroad pension and disability (see <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html</a> ), etc.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading this entry reminds of the situation facing Japan (where I am right now) where the special interests have such a stranglehold and the average citizen is so apathetic that they are often unable to notice that they are sliding slowly backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this entry reminds of the situation facing Japan (where I am right now) where the special interests have such a stranglehold and the average citizen is so apathetic that they are often unable to notice that they are sliding slowly backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poor kid will still have to pay Dutch taxes which start at 33.6% and scale up to a max of 52% after the first ~$30000/yr. I think he gets deductions for being a non-resident so it might work out to the same as he would pay in the USA in taxes. 

I always thought the foreign exemption was to prevent double taxation. It also has the side effect of bringing foreign money into our economy. For example, I live and work in Australia for an Australian company and I am still paying a mortgage in the USA. Also, you can&#039;t find consumer goods cheaper than you can find them in the US. Whenever I go home, I bring suitcases full of crap bought in the USA back to Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poor kid will still have to pay Dutch taxes which start at 33.6% and scale up to a max of 52% after the first ~$30000/yr. I think he gets deductions for being a non-resident so it might work out to the same as he would pay in the USA in taxes. </p>
<p>I always thought the foreign exemption was to prevent double taxation. It also has the side effect of bringing foreign money into our economy. For example, I live and work in Australia for an Australian company and I am still paying a mortgage in the USA. Also, you can&#8217;t find consumer goods cheaper than you can find them in the US. Whenever I go home, I bring suitcases full of crap bought in the USA back to Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In Olson’s telling, successful countries give rise to interest groups that accumulate more and more influence over time. Eventually, the groups become powerful enough to win government favors, in the form of new laws or friendly regulators. These favors allow the groups to benefit at the expense of everyone else; not only do they end up with a larger piece of the economy’s pie, but they do so in a way that keeps the pie from growing as much as it otherwise would. &lt;/i&gt;

Although it&#039;s a book dealing with a much earlier time, Geoffrey Parker&#039;s &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/november-links-and-success-is-never-final-empire-war-and-faith-in-early-modern-europe-—-geoffrey-parker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Success is Never Final: Empire, War and Faith in Early Modern Europe&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (link goes to my post on the subject) strikes similar themes about how the traits that tend to fuel the rise of the nations eventually shift into different traits that undermine the very attributes that made nations successful in the first place. The premise is more interesting than some of the essays within, but I still think it worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In Olson’s telling, successful countries give rise to interest groups that accumulate more and more influence over time. Eventually, the groups become powerful enough to win government favors, in the form of new laws or friendly regulators. These favors allow the groups to benefit at the expense of everyone else; not only do they end up with a larger piece of the economy’s pie, but they do so in a way that keeps the pie from growing as much as it otherwise would. </i></p>
<p>Although it&#8217;s a book dealing with a much earlier time, Geoffrey Parker&#8217;s <i><a href="http://jseliger.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/november-links-and-success-is-never-final-empire-war-and-faith-in-early-modern-europe-—-geoffrey-parker/" rel="nofollow">Success is Never Final: Empire, War and Faith in Early Modern Europe</a></i> (link goes to my post on the subject) strikes similar themes about how the traits that tend to fuel the rise of the nations eventually shift into different traits that undermine the very attributes that made nations successful in the first place. The premise is more interesting than some of the essays within, but I still think it worth reading.</p>
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