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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-114863</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading these posts just further inflames my outrage at the indiscriminate spending of my tax dollars. From AIG, to the Pelosi/Frank coverup of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac dive, to the free health, food, education, housing, etc. of illegal aliens, to the Economic Recovery plan of the current administration...it goes on and on ad nauseum, and all at my {read our} expense. During who&#039;s administration will these loans, aka thefts, come due? Will we steal from the social security bank, or maybe borrow some more money from China, just to meet the interest payments on notes we can never expect to be able to repay?

The buck should be stopping here...and now. Americans are SO apathetic. We think we have no power, yet we do hold all the cards. Supply and demand. Cease the demand, the supply has no where to go. Think of it. Countries do it all the time...economic sanctions. Your child&#039;s toy is painted with lead, made in China. ALL Americans, stop buying ANYTHING made in China. Today. Sanction this, Batman. You can&#039;t understand your customer service rep answering from New Delhi? Cancel the product or service until the call center for that company is back in the USA. The list goes on and on. We, as consumers, have created the monster by continuing to support it. Only we can kill it. 

Corporate greed would cease to exist, if we just let them all go bankrupt. So what if a few execs jump off the Pru or Hancock buildings. One less convict to feed and house. 

We elect murderers. liars and thieves, because they promise the world, and deliver more of the same. I have the great displeasure of being from the state that Ted the murderer and Barney the thief hail from...I&#039;m eagerly awaiting the Pelosi&#039;s investment in local real estate.

We have the power, we just cannot imagine using it. Saving the starfish, for anyone familiar with the story, begins with one. I&#039;ve already started...what are you waiting for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading these posts just further inflames my outrage at the indiscriminate spending of my tax dollars. From AIG, to the Pelosi/Frank coverup of the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac dive, to the free health, food, education, housing, etc. of illegal aliens, to the Economic Recovery plan of the current administration&#8230;it goes on and on ad nauseum, and all at my {read our} expense. During who&#8217;s administration will these loans, aka thefts, come due? Will we steal from the social security bank, or maybe borrow some more money from China, just to meet the interest payments on notes we can never expect to be able to repay?</p>
<p>The buck should be stopping here&#8230;and now. Americans are SO apathetic. We think we have no power, yet we do hold all the cards. Supply and demand. Cease the demand, the supply has no where to go. Think of it. Countries do it all the time&#8230;economic sanctions. Your child&#8217;s toy is painted with lead, made in China. ALL Americans, stop buying ANYTHING made in China. Today. Sanction this, Batman. You can&#8217;t understand your customer service rep answering from New Delhi? Cancel the product or service until the call center for that company is back in the USA. The list goes on and on. We, as consumers, have created the monster by continuing to support it. Only we can kill it. </p>
<p>Corporate greed would cease to exist, if we just let them all go bankrupt. So what if a few execs jump off the Pru or Hancock buildings. One less convict to feed and house. </p>
<p>We elect murderers. liars and thieves, because they promise the world, and deliver more of the same. I have the great displeasure of being from the state that Ted the murderer and Barney the thief hail from&#8230;I&#8217;m eagerly awaiting the Pelosi&#8217;s investment in local real estate.</p>
<p>We have the power, we just cannot imagine using it. Saving the starfish, for anyone familiar with the story, begins with one. I&#8217;ve already started&#8230;what are you waiting for?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-114733</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip,

  While your analysis and reason is very sound, I have to agree with a few of the comments; why are we bailing-out AIG in the first place?  I don&#039;t buy the &quot;too big to fail&quot; argument - bankruptcy is not an end to all operations.  The profitable units would continue on under a new flag and the others would serve as an example of what to avoid going forward.

  The bonus thing is huge on principle only, but the magnitude of the event is minor as mentioned above.  On principle, I find the 90% tax bill to be even more saddening than the bonuses, themselves.  Tax is the wrong lever and creates incredible distortions.  Mr. Stupid doesn&#039;t make Mr. Angry go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip,</p>
<p>  While your analysis and reason is very sound, I have to agree with a few of the comments; why are we bailing-out AIG in the first place?  I don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; argument &#8211; bankruptcy is not an end to all operations.  The profitable units would continue on under a new flag and the others would serve as an example of what to avoid going forward.</p>
<p>  The bonus thing is huge on principle only, but the magnitude of the event is minor as mentioned above.  On principle, I find the 90% tax bill to be even more saddening than the bonuses, themselves.  Tax is the wrong lever and creates incredible distortions.  Mr. Stupid doesn&#8217;t make Mr. Angry go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-113926</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nice - now that the government has decided that if you get taxpayer money, contracts have no meaning, and those contract incomes get a 90% tax, we can do the same with the auto unions. Take 90% of the money that is contractually paid to UAW workers back into government coffers as &quot;penalty&quot; for honoring legal and binding contracts! 

Almost universal agreement exists in the root cause of the financial meltdown being toxic mortgages. Clinton&#039;s 1999 executive order forced Freddie and Fannie to release funds to people that would have never qualified earlier, and yet the powerful Senate Banking committee blocked other banks from following suit. Then, when Congressional leadership changed (2004), and Chris Dodd (D) took over the banking committee, the banks were forced to provide loans that, for the prior 50 years, would have never been allowed. In an attempt to lessen the impact of these toxic assets, the financial institutions bundled these toxic assets with more solvent ones, but the effect overwhelmed the system.  

The American people voted into power the very people that perpetuated this economic meltdown. I am incredulous that &quot;we the people&quot; would actually do this, but then, ignorance is bliss. 

And yet, on Wednesday of this week, massive bonuses were paid out to Freddie and Fannie executives WITH NO PRESS COVERAGE!! Were they not one of the first bailout targets? Is this not a quasi-government organization? So instead of a balanced approach to sharing blame, it is pointing the finger at &quot;it ain&#039;t in my back yard&quot; !!!  

If, as a Senator suggested, these executives that took taxpayer money and squandered it, should commit suicide, then Washington will be a lonely place, with all the dead politicians that [should] have taken the same path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nice &#8211; now that the government has decided that if you get taxpayer money, contracts have no meaning, and those contract incomes get a 90% tax, we can do the same with the auto unions. Take 90% of the money that is contractually paid to UAW workers back into government coffers as &#8220;penalty&#8221; for honoring legal and binding contracts! </p>
<p>Almost universal agreement exists in the root cause of the financial meltdown being toxic mortgages. Clinton&#8217;s 1999 executive order forced Freddie and Fannie to release funds to people that would have never qualified earlier, and yet the powerful Senate Banking committee blocked other banks from following suit. Then, when Congressional leadership changed (2004), and Chris Dodd (D) took over the banking committee, the banks were forced to provide loans that, for the prior 50 years, would have never been allowed. In an attempt to lessen the impact of these toxic assets, the financial institutions bundled these toxic assets with more solvent ones, but the effect overwhelmed the system.  </p>
<p>The American people voted into power the very people that perpetuated this economic meltdown. I am incredulous that &#8220;we the people&#8221; would actually do this, but then, ignorance is bliss. </p>
<p>And yet, on Wednesday of this week, massive bonuses were paid out to Freddie and Fannie executives WITH NO PRESS COVERAGE!! Were they not one of the first bailout targets? Is this not a quasi-government organization? So instead of a balanced approach to sharing blame, it is pointing the finger at &#8220;it ain&#8217;t in my back yard&#8221; !!!  </p>
<p>If, as a Senator suggested, these executives that took taxpayer money and squandered it, should commit suicide, then Washington will be a lonely place, with all the dead politicians that [should] have taken the same path.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigmund</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-113796</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigmund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might have really been best to let AIG go bankrupt. In that case, as stated by many people, all or most contracts would be abrogated (or could be broken by a bankruptcy judge), the company would be dismembered and new management would take over. Of course, after carefully examining what was left, the new owner might decide to pay bonuses to certain employees who remained. It would be all up for grabs. 

Apparently the higher powers decided that such a move would be too dangerous for the world economy. So the US Government is propping it up. But is it necessary to micromanage every aspect of its function now? The bonuses, after all, are about 0.1% of what was given to AIG. If that is helpful to keeping the company together, that might be the right thing to do. We don&#039;t know who is getting the bonuses and whether they are the folks who caused the problems or whether they are the ones who helped the most to save the company.  And, in fact, some people might be in both categories. 

What happens if all the best people quit? If I worked for AIG I think I would be angry myself. Probably I would have lost a huge amount of my retirement which probably would have been in AIG stock. If I felt that I had done my best and now my well earned and well deserved bonus was being &quot;clawed&quot; out of my hands, I think I would be inclined to take a hike. Fortunately I am not in that situation. 

One can also argue that AIG never would have been in such dire straights had not the New York state regulators under then Governor Spitzer forced out the man who seemed to really know how to run the firm, Hank Greenberg. At least that&#039;s what Greenberg argues. He may be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might have really been best to let AIG go bankrupt. In that case, as stated by many people, all or most contracts would be abrogated (or could be broken by a bankruptcy judge), the company would be dismembered and new management would take over. Of course, after carefully examining what was left, the new owner might decide to pay bonuses to certain employees who remained. It would be all up for grabs. </p>
<p>Apparently the higher powers decided that such a move would be too dangerous for the world economy. So the US Government is propping it up. But is it necessary to micromanage every aspect of its function now? The bonuses, after all, are about 0.1% of what was given to AIG. If that is helpful to keeping the company together, that might be the right thing to do. We don&#8217;t know who is getting the bonuses and whether they are the folks who caused the problems or whether they are the ones who helped the most to save the company.  And, in fact, some people might be in both categories. </p>
<p>What happens if all the best people quit? If I worked for AIG I think I would be angry myself. Probably I would have lost a huge amount of my retirement which probably would have been in AIG stock. If I felt that I had done my best and now my well earned and well deserved bonus was being &#8220;clawed&#8221; out of my hands, I think I would be inclined to take a hike. Fortunately I am not in that situation. </p>
<p>One can also argue that AIG never would have been in such dire straights had not the New York state regulators under then Governor Spitzer forced out the man who seemed to really know how to run the firm, Hank Greenberg. At least that&#8217;s what Greenberg argues. He may be right.</p>
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		<title>By: Friedrich</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-113746</link>
		<dc:creator>Friedrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just AIG.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fannie-plans-bonuses-of-up-to-apf-14679491.html

They want it elsewhere also....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just AIG.<br />
<a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fannie-plans-bonuses-of-up-to-apf-14679491.html" rel="nofollow">http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fannie-plans-bonuses-of-up-to-apf-14679491.html</a></p>
<p>They want it elsewhere also&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do hope the rascals get away with it; may their luck hold. That said it is odd that anyone would want to hire ex AIG staff, a typical resume would read ... lost billions underwriting the entire housing market. There was no need for a retention bonus, it was either AIG or the poorhouse. This was another scam run for the benefit of the old boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do hope the rascals get away with it; may their luck hold. That said it is odd that anyone would want to hire ex AIG staff, a typical resume would read &#8230; lost billions underwriting the entire housing market. There was no need for a retention bonus, it was either AIG or the poorhouse. This was another scam run for the benefit of the old boys.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-113726</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re missing the forest for the trees. The problem with virtually all bonus schemes is that they are improperly aligned to the success and profitability of a company. This isn&#039;t unique to AIG. It&#039;s at the root of the entire crisis. AIG may give us some particularly egregious and galling examples of how very wrong this system is, but instead of focusing on a few individual cases, the industry wide problem needs to be addressed systematically. I&#039;d love to see these bastards swing but $165m is only the tip of the iceberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re missing the forest for the trees. The problem with virtually all bonus schemes is that they are improperly aligned to the success and profitability of a company. This isn&#8217;t unique to AIG. It&#8217;s at the root of the entire crisis. AIG may give us some particularly egregious and galling examples of how very wrong this system is, but instead of focusing on a few individual cases, the industry wide problem needs to be addressed systematically. I&#8217;d love to see these bastards swing but $165m is only the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: philg</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/03/18/fire-the-aig-management/comment-page-1/#comment-113725</link>
		<dc:creator>philg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:  Employee salaries and benefits are typically paid during a Chapter 11 reorganization, but I don&#039;t think that the idea of adding a $6.5 million bonus check to an employee&#039;s compensation has ever been reviewed by a bankruptcy judge.

As for the &quot;collateral damage of an AIG bankruptcy&quot;... how bad would it have been? Millions of people losing their jobs? Could we have seen the stock market fall by more than 50% from its peak?  Oh wait... all of those worst-case scenarios did happen AND our grandchildren will be stuck with paying back the $300 billion or whatever we&#039;re going to borrow to keep AIG operating in a simulation of the world circa 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:  Employee salaries and benefits are typically paid during a Chapter 11 reorganization, but I don&#8217;t think that the idea of adding a $6.5 million bonus check to an employee&#8217;s compensation has ever been reviewed by a bankruptcy judge.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;collateral damage of an AIG bankruptcy&#8221;&#8230; how bad would it have been? Millions of people losing their jobs? Could we have seen the stock market fall by more than 50% from its peak?  Oh wait&#8230; all of those worst-case scenarios did happen AND our grandchildren will be stuck with paying back the $300 billion or whatever we&#8217;re going to borrow to keep AIG operating in a simulation of the world circa 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Employees enjoy a very high level of priority in the bankruptcy process;  It&#039;s not at all clear that a bankruptcy would have avoided these contracts.  In any event, the collateral damage of an AIG bankruptcy would have far, far exceeded the $85M or so in cash that the government is going to lose in bonuses after taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Employees enjoy a very high level of priority in the bankruptcy process;  It&#8217;s not at all clear that a bankruptcy would have avoided these contracts.  In any event, the collateral damage of an AIG bankruptcy would have far, far exceeded the $85M or so in cash that the government is going to lose in bonuses after taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Vishnesky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Vishnesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t have your socialism cake and eat your capitalism dog food. When the government &quot;bailed out&quot; these firms it promised to rescue capitalism. Looks like that is a success so far. 

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Feed a man with stolen fish and he&#039;ll learn to steal them, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t have your socialism cake and eat your capitalism dog food. When the government &#8220;bailed out&#8221; these firms it promised to rescue capitalism. Looks like that is a success so far. </p>
<p>Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Feed a man with stolen fish and he&#8217;ll learn to steal them, too.</p>
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