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	<title>Comments on: VRM is personal</title>
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		<title>By: Plumbers in Wakefield</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-13548</link>
		<dc:creator>Plumbers in Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 10:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the above comment.  It seems everybody is involved in this so called bubble and i too will be intrigued to see how it all changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the above comment.  It seems everybody is involved in this so called bubble and i too will be intrigued to see how it all changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sovereign Atlanta Ga</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-13516</link>
		<dc:creator>Sovereign Atlanta Ga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The momentum that &quot;social&quot; and web 2.0 has created is amazing. Not a day goes by where I do not hear about twitter and tweeting.. Yet as you say there is still a large degree of anonymity within the whole &quot;system&quot;. It will be interesting to see how it all evolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The momentum that &#8220;social&#8221; and web 2.0 has created is amazing. Not a day goes by where I do not hear about twitter and tweeting.. Yet as you say there is still a large degree of anonymity within the whole &#8220;system&#8221;. It will be interesting to see how it all evolves.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Reconfiguration</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-12921</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Reconfiguration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to maximize user freedom and control, and placing the user at the point of integration.  Or, as Doc Searls puts it, creating tools for &#8220;both independence and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: (veille)&#62; Liens du 02/01/2009 + les identités numériques</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-6326</link>
		<dc:creator>(veille)&#62; Liens du 02/01/2009 + les identités numériques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ProjectVRM Blog &#187; VRM is personal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: (openid)&#62; Chris Messina et OpenID + les identités numériques</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-6185</link>
		<dc:creator>(openid)&#62; Chris Messina et OpenID + les identités numériques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This the citizen-centric model of the web, and each of us are sovereign citizens of the web. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vladimir Dimitroff</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-5976</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir Dimitroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Social&#039; doesn&#039;t have to be the opposite of VRM or individualist. The trouble with &#039;social&#039; is that the hype-driven fans (and self-proclaimed &#039;practitioners&#039;) have never outgrown their 20th century roots of &#039;mass&#039; (mass production, mass communication, mass marketing). Thus they see &#039;social&#039; as a &lt;b&gt;one-to-many&lt;/b&gt; relationship between a business and a multitude (for them - a crowd), like the relationship of a farmer with a herd of cattle. The business (the farmer) wants to use &#039;social&#039; tools to drive the herd (customer masses) &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; way: for milking. Or to the butcher.

They are unable to grasp the concept of &#039;social&#039; being a &lt;b&gt;many-to-many&lt;/b&gt; model, an infinite multitude of one-to-one relationships, where each &#039;one&#039; matters. &#039;Mass&#039; is a thing of the past, this is the 21st century (Hello!?!). &#039;Social&#039; today means that I need a million versions of my product personalised for a million individual cuatomers. I need a million-line pricelist, one for each customer, to charge him/her what I should. And (this is tough to swallow!) I need to allow (not just allow: invite and reward!) a million strangers to mess with the way I run my business. To empower them to design and even produce my products, market and sell them, and porvide customer care and support to one another.

When I first used &#039;CRM 2.0&#039; some 3 years ago, behind the sarcastic referral to the Web 2.0 fad was a view of changing meanings of all 3 letters of the tired acronym. Customers are now more than that, &lt;i&gt;converging&lt;/i&gt; with other stakeholder entities like Employees and Investors. The Relationship becomes an intricate mesh of one-to-one-s; and Customers are no longer Managed, they increasingly take the driving seat and Manage - relationships and a lot more...

Just my $ 0.02 on a complex, but worthy and IMHO historic subject.
Season&#039;s greetings and best wishes for a (truly) social 2009!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Social&#8217; doesn&#8217;t have to be the opposite of VRM or individualist. The trouble with &#8217;social&#8217; is that the hype-driven fans (and self-proclaimed &#8216;practitioners&#8217;) have never outgrown their 20th century roots of &#8216;mass&#8217; (mass production, mass communication, mass marketing). Thus they see &#8217;social&#8217; as a <b>one-to-many</b> relationship between a business and a multitude (for them &#8211; a crowd), like the relationship of a farmer with a herd of cattle. The business (the farmer) wants to use &#8217;social&#8217; tools to drive the herd (customer masses) <i>his</i> way: for milking. Or to the butcher.</p>
<p>They are unable to grasp the concept of &#8217;social&#8217; being a <b>many-to-many</b> model, an infinite multitude of one-to-one relationships, where each &#8216;one&#8217; matters. &#8216;Mass&#8217; is a thing of the past, this is the 21st century (Hello!?!). &#8216;Social&#8217; today means that I need a million versions of my product personalised for a million individual cuatomers. I need a million-line pricelist, one for each customer, to charge him/her what I should. And (this is tough to swallow!) I need to allow (not just allow: invite and reward!) a million strangers to mess with the way I run my business. To empower them to design and even produce my products, market and sell them, and porvide customer care and support to one another.</p>
<p>When I first used &#8216;CRM 2.0&#8242; some 3 years ago, behind the sarcastic referral to the Web 2.0 fad was a view of changing meanings of all 3 letters of the tired acronym. Customers are now more than that, <i>converging</i> with other stakeholder entities like Employees and Investors. The Relationship becomes an intricate mesh of one-to-one-s; and Customers are no longer Managed, they increasingly take the driving seat and Manage &#8211; relationships and a lot more&#8230;</p>
<p>Just my $ 0.02 on a complex, but worthy and IMHO historic subject.<br />
Season&#8217;s greetings and best wishes for a (truly) social 2009!</p>
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		<title>By: Responding to criticisms about OpenID: convenience, security and personal agency &#124; FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-5927</link>
		<dc:creator>Responding to criticisms about OpenID: convenience, security and personal agency &#124; FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the citizen-centric model of the web, and each of us are sovereign citizens of the web. Since I define and host my own identity, I do not need to worry about services like Pownce being [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Searls</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-5142</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Searls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I posted a comment here before, but apparently it didn&#039;t take. )

John, if VRM isn&#039;t good for sellers as well as buyers, it won&#039;t work. That&#039;s why it&#039;s called &lt;i&gt;relationship&lt;/i&gt; management. 

CRM systems are all about &quot;improving the customer experience&quot; already. VRM is about the same thing, but from the buyer&#039;s side. They meet in the middle and cooperate on terms that work for both. 

Same is true if no CRM system is involved. You don&#039;t need CRM to do VRM. I just brought it up to talk about reciprocity and positive-sum engagement.

Free customers are more valuable than captive ones because they are able to bring far more to the seller&#039;s table. Better information is just one of many variables. Better demand is another. Most sellers who do captive customer maintanence (the ones trying to &quot;acquire&quot;, &quot;own&quot; and &quot;lock in&quot; customers) don&#039;t see the money they leave on the table. They only see the forms of demand they allow themselves to see. This blindered approach becomes self-justifying, because all information outside of it is ignored. 

As for making VRM attractive to business, that&#039;s a challenge. I think that &lt;a href=&quot;http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/PayChoice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PayChoice&lt;/a&gt; is one avenue. There will be others as well. Personal RFPs are money waiting to be taken. Advertising and other forms of guesswork are expenses waiting to be reduced. VRM can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I posted a comment here before, but apparently it didn&#8217;t take. )</p>
<p>John, if VRM isn&#8217;t good for sellers as well as buyers, it won&#8217;t work. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called <i>relationship</i> management. </p>
<p>CRM systems are all about &#8220;improving the customer experience&#8221; already. VRM is about the same thing, but from the buyer&#8217;s side. They meet in the middle and cooperate on terms that work for both. </p>
<p>Same is true if no CRM system is involved. You don&#8217;t need CRM to do VRM. I just brought it up to talk about reciprocity and positive-sum engagement.</p>
<p>Free customers are more valuable than captive ones because they are able to bring far more to the seller&#8217;s table. Better information is just one of many variables. Better demand is another. Most sellers who do captive customer maintanence (the ones trying to &#8220;acquire&#8221;, &#8220;own&#8221; and &#8220;lock in&#8221; customers) don&#8217;t see the money they leave on the table. They only see the forms of demand they allow themselves to see. This blindered approach becomes self-justifying, because all information outside of it is ignored. </p>
<p>As for making VRM attractive to business, that&#8217;s a challenge. I think that <a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/PayChoice" rel="nofollow">PayChoice</a> is one avenue. There will be others as well. Personal RFPs are money waiting to be taken. Advertising and other forms of guesswork are expenses waiting to be reduced. VRM can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: FBS Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thanksgiving Thoughts On The Cluetrain</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-4992</link>
		<dc:creator>FBS Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thanksgiving Thoughts On The Cluetrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Searls, one of the Cluetrain authors, wrote recently that: [H]ere’s the challenge: make the Net personal. Make relationships personal. Equip [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Social è una bolla &#124; VRM è personale &#124; Problogging</title>
		<link>http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/2008/11/20/vrm-is-personal/comment-page-1/#comment-4981</link>
		<dc:creator>Social è una bolla &#124; VRM è personale &#124; Problogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] continua SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Social è una bolla &#124; VRM è personale&quot;, url: &quot;http://problogging.it/2008/11/21/social-e-una-bolla-vrm-e-personale/&quot; }); [...]</description>
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